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Episode number: 98

Get to Know #eecms: Angie Herrera


Angie Herrera is our next Get to Know #eecms guest! She shares her experience starting up, working with EE, and her recent speaking engagements at EngineSummit and Peers. Tune in to find out her answers to our rapid-fire 10 questions. Plus: our thoughts on recent EllisLab announcements.


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Lea Alcantara: You are listening to the unofficial ExpressionEngine Podcast Episode 98. Today we’re continuing our Get to Know #eecms Series with special guest, Angie Herrera of 420 Creative. I’m your host, Lea Alcantara, and I’m joined by my fab co-host.

Emily Lewis: Emily Lewis.

Lea Alcantara: The ExpressionEngine Podcast…


Lea Alcantara:  You are listening to the unofficial ExpressionEngine Podcast Episode 98.  Today we’re continuing our Get to Know #eecms Series with special guest, Angie Herrera of 420 Creative.  I’m your host, Lea Alcantara, and I’m joined by my fab co-host.

Emily Lewis:  Emily Lewis. 

Lea Alcantara:  The ExpressionEngine Podcast would like to thank Pixel & Tonic for being our major sponsor of the year. 

Emily Lewis:  [Music ends]  Hey Lea, what’s new?

Lea Alcantara:  I’m actually in an amazing mood today.

Emily Lewis:  Oh.

Lea Alcantara:  Because my house sale closes officially today.

Emily Lewis:  Ah!

Lea Alcantara:  Yeah.

Emily Lewis:  So this is up in Edmonton, Canada.

Lea Alcantara:  Yes, so that means I’m going to get a huge bunch of money in my bank account today.

Emily Lewis:  [Laughs]

Lea Alcantara:  I sort of feel like Stewie from Family Guy.

Emily Lewis:  Oh my gosh.

Lea Alcantara:  I don’t know for those that watch Family Guy, there’s an episode where Stewie tries to get money from Brian.  [Laughs]  That’s how I feel like right now.  It’s like, “Give me my money!”  [Laughs]

Emily Lewis:  [Laughs]  That’s good.  So was it a relatively smooth process with selling your house while you were moving to another country?

Lea Alcantara:  No.

Emily Lewis:  No.

Lea Alcantara:  No.  There’s like a weird tax-related situation when the house sells after you’ve moved to the United States.  Because I’m officially became a non-resident the moment I moved, I have to like apply for a special certificate saying that I’m a non-resident and that I don’t owe tax to the government of Canada, or stuff like that, because there’s a lot of foreign investors in Canada.  Once you become a foreign investor, that means your property is due for capital gains tax.

Emily Lewis:  Right, right.

Lea Alcantara:  And clearly we don’t really qualify for that because that was our primary residence, but the moment we become non-resident, then it becomes an investor possibly.

Emily Lewis:  Oh.

Lea Alcantara:  But anyway, it’s a whole complicated thing.  There is a potential that my property could have been taxed or money could have been withheld.

Emily Lewis: Crap!

Lea Alcantara:  Yeah, yeah, but I got great news today saying that we got the certificate today the same day it’s closing so that means I’m going to get a 100% of the funds.

Emily Lewis:  Well, that’s really excellent news.  So let’s take a shift and talk about some ExpressionEngine news.  EllisLab had a few announcements last week.  There has been some response on Twitter and elsewhere regarding it.  The first is this new grid fieldtype that’s available in the developer preview for Version 2.7.

Lea Alcantara:  So EllisLab, there is nothing really odd with the idea of having an update about what’s going on with EE.  It’s quite welcome.  I think what’s interesting about the way they just…

Emily Lewis:  Announcement…

Lea Alcantara:  Yeah, the way they announced the new grid fieldtype was interesting due to its mostly personal tone, I think.

Emily Lewis:  [Agrees]

Lea Alcantara:  I don’t know.  I have certain opinions about that.  I’m not sure that was the right direction they could have gone with announcements.  It isn’t the announcement itself I think that I have an issue with as opposed to the tone.

Emily Lewis:  Right.  Them announcing a new fieldtype as they described it, it allows authors to use group fieldtypes to publish any number of rows of related content within an entry.  I don’t have a problem with that.  It’s something that the system has needed for a long time, but I felt like their announcement was far too much personal information and drama than I care about as a software user.

Lea Alcantara:  Yeah.

Emily Lewis:  I am so sick and tired of the drama related to some of this stuff, and what I care about bottom line is that ExpressionEngine continues to be a great software.  I care that there continues to be an active and thriving community that produces add-ons to extend ExpressionEngine.  I also want to continue to see innovation, and I want to continue to see competition.  None of those things are bad for me or my clients, and so I feel like calling someone out for competition.  It is just kind of like whining about the state of doing business.

Lea Alcantara:  Yeah.  That’s basically where I stand too.  It’s kind of like just announce it.  [Laughs]

Emily Lewis:  Yeah, tell us what you are doing.

Lea Alcantara:  Exactly.  Just let us know and then if there is any drama or whatever, that’s something that they can’t control, however…

Emily Lewis:  They can control themselves. 

Lea Alcantara:  Exactly, exactly.  So it’s just that I think it wasn’t the right direction in the way they announced.  In comparison…

Emily Lewis:  Yes.

Lea Alcantara:  When they announced their New Relic compatibility.

Emily Lewis:  Yeah, that was great.

Lea Alcantara:  I would prefer…. [Laughs]  I would prefer moving forward if they made any new announcements to just let us know what’s going on, reiterate that they’re committed to this software and innovation and bug fixes, et cetera, and I’d be happy.

Emily Lewis:  Yeah, with that, you and I are on the same page there.  With the New Relic thing, I’m actually really interested in because I think it was when you were off and we had Anna Brown guest co-hosting, Bryan Battle mentioned New Relic and Anna said she’s using it.  I’ve never used it.  I actually don’t even know what it is, so this is going to force me to take a look at that service as well.

Lea Alcantara:  Well, when I was at the Seattle EE Meetup, Matt Fordham talked a little bit about New Relic because when they launched the Sasquatch Festival site and they were really concerned over server load and making sure that the site doesn’t go down during launch, they were using that tool to make sure that everything looked good.

Emily Lewis:  [Agrees]

Lea Alcantara:  And so it was really interesting, especially because it showed the spike when they actually did launch.

Emily Lewis:  [Agrees]

Lea Alcantara:  And I think it was a really interesting tool to just really see where the spike actually was because the tool actually shows you like, “Okay, the spike happened here and it’s due to this particular thing.”  Like is it due to they are waiting for server load or is it due to like some JavaScript pause thing, or that kind of thing.

Emily Lewis:  [Agrees]

Lea Alcantara:  So that was really interesting and I think it’s really useful if you are trying to troubleshoot where the bottlenecks are.

Emily Lewis:  [Agrees]

Lea Alcantara:  Yeah.

Emily Lewis:  I’m excited to take a look at the service, and when ExpressionEngine comes out with whatever version that supports that, then that will be cool.

Lea Alcantara:  Yeah. 

Emily Lewis:  All right, so let’s get to today’s episode.  We’ve got special guest, Angie Herrera, for our Get to Know #eecms  Series.  Angie runs 420 Creative, a web studio in Portland, Oregon that specializes in ExpressionEngine.  Angie is also really active in the EE community and organizes the Portland EE Meetup Group.  Thanks for joining us today, Angie.

Angie Herrera:  Thanks for having me, ladies.

Lea Alcantara:  So can you briefly tell our listeners a little bit more about yourself?

Angie Herrera:  Yeah.  Well, I have been a designer for about thirteen years.  I actually went to school for design, which I find to be rare these days.

Lea Alcantara:  [Agrees]

Angie Herrera:  And I’ve been running my business for ten out of the thirteen years, and I got started in web design and development pretty early on when I started my business.  So yeah, that’s about the gist of it.

Lea Alcantara:  So what made you pursue that in the first place?  So you went to design school, was that design school specifically web design and development or was it just regular print and graphic design?

Angie Herrera:  Yeah.  No, I went to Oregon State, which is your typical Liberal Arts four-year school, and back then it was pretty much just graphic design so I learned all the graphic design stuff, logo design, that sort of thing.

Lea Alcantara:  Sure.

Angie Herrera:  And web design wasn’t really part of the curriculum.  It is now, but I got started in web design and development pretty much because my clients started asking for it. 

Lea Alcantara:  [Agrees]

Angie Herrera:  I was doing logos, letterheads, stationery, marketing materials, brochures, that sort of thing, and clients would just start asking me, “Hey, you know, I think I need a website.”  There is this new web stuff coming up.

Lea Alcantara:  [Laughs]

Angie Herrera:  So they asked me for a web design, so I was pretty much forced to do that because of client requests.

Lea Alcantara:  So you talked about client requests pretty early on.  Does that mean like after you graduated from college, you started your own company right away?

Angie Herrera:  No, definitely not.  I mean, I was freelancing a little bit on the side, but right after college, I actually spent a year in Spain.

Lea Alcantara:  Oh cool.

Angie Herrera:  Yeah, I was doing an internship there which was primarily teaching English at a university, but I was also in charge of the English department’s website, and that’s actually where I started to learn a little bit about web design.  Not so much about code.  I mean, I was using Adobe GoLive, that ancient piece of software.

Lea Alcantara:  Oh wow!

Angie Herrera:  Yeah.  [Laughs]

Lea Alcantara:  [Laughs]

Angie Herrera:  That’s what I was using, and then I think I somehow got my hands on Dreamweaver, but that’s really where I started playing around with it.  Then when I got back to the States at my first job here, and again I was doing mostly print design, but they also needed some web design stuff too so I was doing some web stuff there.  So actually, the client requests didn’t come until I started my business in 2003.

Emily Lewis:  Now, to get back to the States, you mentioned you worked for someone.  Was that like an agency or were you like in-house marketing or something like that?

Angie Herrera:  Oh yeah, I was definitely in-house.  I was number two out of two in our design department.  [Laughs]

Lea Alcantara:  [Laughs]

Emily Lewis:  [Laughs]

Angie Herrera:  So it was a uniform manufacturing company here in Portland and it was a great little gig to start out with.

Emily Lewis:  Now, why did you start to strike out on your own and have your own company and your own clients?

Angie Herrera:  My hand was kind of forced.  When I left my job or when I was contemplating leaving my job, I actually was looking for an agency job.  I really wanted to work in an agency, but at that time for whatever reason, there just weren’t jobs available in Portland.  The market was terrible and I really didn’t want to move so I decided to take a leap of faith and I asked my mom for some help and I was like, “You know, if this doesn’t work in three to six months, I’ll go back to looking for a job.  Even if it’s flipping hamburgers, I don’t care.”  But it worked out, so a few months later, I got a couple of clients and I’ve been doing that ever since.

Emily Lewis:  Now, you mentioned you kind of gave yourself like a three- to six-month window when you were getting started out.  Did you just keep extending that window?  At what point did you realize that this was going to be long term for you?

Angie Herrera:  No, I didn’t extend it.  I definitely gave myself a deadline to have steady work.  I don’t remember.  [Laughs]  It feels like it’s been so long.  I don’t remember what it was that made me realize, “Yeah, this is going to work.”  I think probably when I could tell my mom, “Okay, I don’t need money for mortgage anymore.”  [Laughs]

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Lea Alcantara:  [Laughs]

Emily Lewis:  [Laughs]

Angie Herrera:  I think that was the moment.  I was like, “Okay, this is going to work.”

Lea Alcantara:  That’s cool.  That sounds very familiar to my own story too.  Like when I first started, I also thought to myself, “Okay, I’m going to give myself a deadline.  I don’t care if I end up working at 7-11 or whatever.  My first goal is to make sure the bills are paid, and once that goal is passed, let’s hopefully make more money.”  [Laughs]

Angie Herrera:  Yeah, definitely.  That was definitely one of my things that I said too, “I’ve got to make sure my bills are paid.” 

Lea Alcantara:  So how long have you been working with EE?  How did you get started with ExpressionEngine?

Angie Herrera:  I’ve been working with EE since around 2006, late 2006.  I was doing some work for another web shop here in town and we were exploring some options for a client of theirs.  They needed to be able to manage a couple, two or three different websites and hopefully using one login, that sort of thing.

Lea Alcantara:  [Agrees]

Angie Herrera:  So did some research, and I heard, previously I had heard about ExpressionEngine online from like Mark Bolton and the Belgian designer, Veerle Pieters.

Lea Alcantara:  Yeah.

Angie Herrera:  So I took a look at it.  I had initially taken a look at WordPress MU that they had.  I don’t know if they still have it, but then I took a look at ExpressionEngine and downloaded the free version and kind of played around with it.  It seemed like the right way to go.  So that’s what we went with, and it’s pretty much been on with EE ever since then.

Emily Lewis:  That first project you described, was that like a multisite manager situation?

Angie Herrera:  Yeah, yeah, it does.

Emily Lewis:  So your first site was a multisite manager?

Angie Herrera:  Yes, it was.

Lea Alcantara:  Wow!

Angie Herrera:  Yeah, I just dove into the deep end.

Emily Lewis:  It’s crazy.  [Laughs]

Lea Alcantara:  [Laughs]

Angie Herrera:  And which is funny because now I wouldn’t touch MSM with a 40-foot pole.

Emily Lewis:  [Laughs]

Angie Herrera:  But yeah.

Emily Lewis:  I’ve been working on an MSM site system lately, and I’m starting to feel that way too.  It’s almost more trouble than it was worth in the beginning. 

Angie Herrera:  Yeah.

Emily Lewis:  So when it comes to working with ExpressionEngine, do you find that the majority of your projects are like Version 2 especially since you started like in 2006, or do you pick up older Version 1 projects?

Angie Herrera:  Most of them are Version 2.  Like we’ll pick up Version 1 particularly if people are clients who are trying to upgrade to Version 2.

Lea Alcantara:  [Agrees]

Angie Herrera:  I’ve got a few stragglers in there that are still on Version 1.  Like I’ve got one site that unfortunately I used Gypsy on, and so that one is going to have rebuilt because it’s a pretty massive site.

Lea Alcantara:  Oh wow!

Angie Herrera:  So I’d say most of our projects are EE 2.

Emily Lewis:  Do you exclusively work with ExpressionEngine, or do you work with other CMSs, whether in the past, or do you even do projects that don’t even involve a content management system?

Angie Herrera:  It’s rare when we don’t use a content management system.  I actually did launch a site for a family member not too long ago that was completely static, but that’s rare when that happens.  But yeah, we definitely do use other CMSs.  We played around with… well, not played around.  We have actually launched a couple of sites with Craft.

Emily Lewis:  Oh nice.

Angie Herrera:  Yeah, I’m getting into Statamic.  After Peers Conference last week or a week before, I really started to like Statamic so I’ve been playing around with that and actually we’re starting to work on the site using Statamic so those are the two other CMSs that we are using.  I played around with some other ones.  So ExpressionEngine isn’t the only one, although it is probably I’d say 80% or 90% of the web work we do.

Emily Lewis:  Picking up those new CMSs, you mentioned Craft and Statamic, what’s been your experience?  Are you relearning an approach?  Is it sort of building on top of what you’ve just come to learn about CMSs in general?  Has it been fun?  Has it been a struggle?

Angie Herrera:  A little bit of both, a little bit of everything.  It’s definitely building on top of what I know about content management systems in general, but I am definitely learning the whole partials thing because with ExpressionEngine, I haven’t gone into – what do you call it – Stash?

Lea Alcantara:  Stash, yeah.

Angie Herrera:  Yeah, but with both Statamic and Craft, it really is more of a partial type of templating, so that’s been different and it’s actually been really, really great.  So yeah, there’s a little bit of both in there.  You’re building on and already knowing what the workflow should be, especially when I’m working with other people and working with Git Version Control, that sort of thing.  So that stuff, it’s just trying to translate that over to the other systems and then just learning the new systems themselves.

Lea Alcantara:  So since we are talking about those different systems and you mentioned that you got a lot more into them at Peers.  For those that are listening, Angie actually presented at Peers recently, and you also presented at EngineSummit as well.  Why don’t you tell our listeners a little bit about that and why you got involved with each of them?

Angie Herrera:  Sure.  Well, EngineSummit, Emily was very kind and introduced me to Christopher who is one half or who helps run EngineSummit.  So Christopher and I talked and I had what I thought was a pretty good idea, so he’s like, “Yeah, let’s do it.  It’s great.”  So I got involved primarily just because I feel like I’ve been doing this long enough where I do actually have something to give back.  I think you get to that point in your career where you’re like, “You know, I do know a thing or two and some people may not.”   Not to sound like I know everything, but it’s more of just wanting to share so that other people can move forward with that information as well.  So I just felt like it was time to kind of give back to the community and have fun with it.  I’ve been to several conferences and I’ve watched a couple of the Environments for Humans and the things that they’ve done.  I think that one of the first EngineSummits they did I was a part of, so that would be fun to do.  Then with Peers, actually last year in Austin for EECI, Jess (Jessica D’Amico) approached me and said that I should talk.  She didn’t really give me an option.

Emily Lewis:  [Laughs]

Angie Herrera:  She didn’t ask.  She’s like, “You need to talk.”  I was like, “Okay.”  So we’ve been kind of going off and on for a while since then.  I came up with a topic and I decided to do it and it was actually a lot more fun than I expected it to be so it was great.

Emily Lewis:  So at EngineSummit, that’s for our listeners who don’t know, it’s an online conference.  What did you present for them?

Angie Herrera:  That was about helping clients succeed with ExpressionEngine, and I focused on three main components.  The first one was just planning your site in ExpressionEngine.  Just before you touch any code or design anything, just planning things so you kind of get an idea what fields you’re going to need, what channels, how it’s going to be set up, and then that way it helps you.  It basically builds on each other so you have that step.


Then the second step builds on that by tweaking the control panel so it’s easy not just for you as the developer, but also the client so you’re tweaking it so that they are super familiar with it or not so super familiar with it as much as it becomes intuitive and easy for them to use.  They are only needing to see what they need to see, access what they need to access, and the other stuff is just fluff really.

Then the third part is the training and education where I talked about different methods on how to train a client on ExpressionEngine if they haven’t used it before, whether it’s through video, PDF or online documentation or in-person training or a combination of those.

Emily Lewis:  Now, what did you think about the online format as a presenter?

Angie Herrera:  It was a little strange at first, but it was kind of nice because it was actually really perfect for me because it was a nice little warm up to Peers, so it was great.  But once I got into it, and I know a couple of the other people who presented, they mentioned this too, but once I got into it, it was smooth and not a big deal at all.

Emily Lewis:  Now, what about Peers?  That’s a new conference this year that you mentioned Jessica D’Amico put together.  Was that your first like in person, in public presentation at a conference?

Angie Herrera:  Sort of, but not really.  I don’t know if you guys remember EE Road Show that was held first in Vancouver and then in Seattle.

Lea Alcantara:  [Agrees]

Angie Herrera:  That was in 2009 or 2010.  The very first one in Vancouver, I actually was part of an SEO panel, so that was the very, very, very first time I had ever been to a conference and presented in any sort of format before.  So it obviously had been a while, but Peers was the first one where I actually presented on my own.

Emily Lewis:  How was Peers?

Angie Herrera:  Peers was fantastic, and I think that it’s definitely going to happen again because everybody was saying it better happen again.

Emily Lewis:  Yehey!

Angie Herrera:  And I think Jess realizes that.  [Laughs]

Lea Alcantara:  [Laughs]

Angie Herrera:  So yet it was great because one of the things that was great about it was that it wasn’t centered around any one particular technology.  There was a little bit of EE in there.  There was some Craft and Statamic and some Laravel in there, so it was great.  In addition to that, there was some business talks which was part of what I was doing.  Because it was the first time, I think it was relatively small.  I think there were maybe under a hundred people total so that was also great because you got to talk to a lot more people in the same amount of time as other conferences and so you got to know some people and really get around to talking to a majority of the attendees, so that was a great thing too.

Lea Alcantara:  So what was your biggest takeaway then from Peers?

Angie Herrera:  Oh, that’s a good one.  Well. Low did this talk right after mine.  His was like the final talk of the entire conference and it kind of dovetailed after mine on work and life and why we work and all this stuff, and one of the things that he said in his presentation was, “I don’t have to do anything.”  For some reason that has continued to stay in my head like you just don’t have to do anything that you don’t want to do, that sort of thing. 

Emily Lewis:  [Agrees]

Angie Herrera:  But as far as the conference itself, one of the biggest takeaways, but that’s really a tough question.  I think that just getting to know… well, let me back up, the conference is called Peers which I think is super, super appropriate because it really was about people in the same profession getting to know each other and sharing information on different levels, and so the biggest takeaway was really just getting along with your peers and learning from them.

Lea Alcantara:  Very cool.  So since we’re talking about your work day and work life, et cetera, do you have a typical day or is your schedule different each day? 

Angie Herrera:  I don’t have a typical day necessarily.  I mean, I try to be habitual about it like I try to make sure, for instance, that I don’t check my email more than a couple of times a day, and I try to work on big chunks at a time.  But it varies, it just depends if I’ve got client meetings coming up, that sort of thing.  I don’t really have a typical day, I don’t think.

Emily Lewis:  Do you have a typical kind of client like an industry or a size of client?

Angie Herrera:  No.  Not industry.  I’ve tried that.  It just hasn’t worked for me, which is fine.  I’m okay with that.  I like the diversity.  But as far as sizes of clients, I mean, we’ve worked with some larger clients for sure, but our clients seem to be small to medium sized businesses so I think they are the most fun to work with just because they’re a little bit more flexible in terms of giving you some leeway in terms of the design and the development and options that you choose.

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Emily Lewis:  Now, when it comes to working with ExpressionEngine, what would you say are your strengths with the platform?

Angie Herrera:  My strengths, that’s a good question, I don’t know.  [Laughs]

Lea Alcantara:  [Laughs]

Emily Lewis:  [Laughs]

Angie Herrera:  I feel like I’ve just been doing a little bit of everything in ExpressionEngine, but I think maybe just making it easy for clients to update their sites.  I mean, that sounds kind of – I don’t know – like a kind  of a canned response, but really I don’t get a ton of feedback from clients, but when I do…

Emily Lewis:  That’s usually a good sign though sometimes.

Angie Herrera:  Yeah, I think so.  I think it’s one of those no news is good news, but when I do, it’s always like, “Oh my gosh, this is so easy to use.  Thank you so much.”  So I think that making it easy for clients to use, it’s something that I’ve excelled at using ExpressionEngine.

Lea Alcantara:  So do you believe that might be one of the best things about EE like what do you think is the best thing about ExpressionEngine?

Angie Herrera:  That’s definitely part of it.  I mean, ExpressionEngine I love it.  I really love it.  The flexibility and the extensibility are the two greatest things about it in my opinion because it allows me to say yes to clients pretty quickly rather than, “Hmm, let me think about it and I’ll get back to you.”  Because most  of the time I can just say, “Yeah, we can do it and here’s what it’s going to take.”

Lea Alcantara:  So on the flipside, what do you think is the worst thing about EE?

Angie Herrera:  About the platform itself, I don’t think there is any one major thing.  There is probably a lot of little things, but if I were to pick one thing, it would definitely be the enormous bug list.  That’s the thing.  I mean, I don’t run into a ton of bugs, but when I do, I’m usually able to spot them in that bug list and that bug tracker and that’s just aggravating.

Emily Lewis:  Now, do you have any add-ons that you absolutely cannot live without when you’re building any kind of ExpressionEngine system?

Angie Herrera:  Yeah.  The first one that comes to mind is Wygwam.

Emily Lewis:  [Agrees]

Angie Herrera:  I love Wygwam.  A couple of others, Matrix is another one, but CE Image is definitely one of my top favorites as well.  It really makes the image manipulation stuff really simple, and one that I’ve been using as of the last, I don’t know, six months or so is Zoo Visitor.  I used to use User quite a bit, but Zoo Visitor for some reason just makes more sense in my head somehow, so I’ve just really been liking that one.

Lea Alcantara:  Yeah, I’ve been liking Zoo Visitor myself too, especially because it’s dealt within the channel entries.

Angie Herrera:  Yeah.

Lea Alcantara:  And because of that, there was an aha moment for me when I had to expire members, it’s like, “Well, that’s a way I can expire members is just to expire the entry and deal with that.”

Angie Herrera:  Yeah.

Lea Alcantara:  And I was like, “Wow.”

Angie Herrera:  Yeah, it does give you a little bit more flexibility in that regard so I’m really happy about that one. 

Emily Lewis:  Now, it doesn’t have to be about ExpressionEngine.  It could be more general, but what’s a new or maybe a new to you technique that you’re really interested in trying but haven’t really started looking at yet?

Angie Herrera:  Oh, a new technique.  You know what, I don’t think I have one unless you count like a business technique, in which case, to be more hands off.

Lea Alcantara:  [Agrees]

Emily Lewis:  Oh, really?  What do you mean by that?

Angie Herrera:  Yeah.  Well, I’m trying to grow my business a little bit, and so by that, I mean, doing a little bit less of the coding, less of the development side of things and handing that off and becoming more and more of a manager or creative director type of role.

Lea Alcantara:  Cool.

Angie Herrera:  Yeah.

Lea Alcantara:  So we’re nearing the end of the show, but before we let you go for Get to Know #eecms, we’ve got a rapid fire ten questions.

Angie Herrera:  Right. 

Lea Alcantara:  So are you ready?

Angie Herrera:  Okay.

Lea Alcantara:  Mac OS or Windows?

Angie Herrera:  Mac OS.

Emily Lewis:  What’s your favorite mobile app?

Angie Herrera:  Oh, probably Tweetbot.

Lea Alcantara:  What is your least favorite thing about social media?

Angie Herrera:  Drama and whining.

Emily Lewis:  [Laughs]

Lea Alcantara:  [Laughs]

Emily Lewis:  What profession other than your own would you like to attempt?

Angie Herrera:  I don’t think I can attempt it now.  I’m probably too old for it, but I would have loved to have been a professional athlete.

Lea Alcantara:  Oh, very cool.  What profession would you not like to do?

Angie Herrera:  Accounting.

Lea Alcantara:  [Laughs]

Emily Lewis:  Who is the web professional you admire the most?

Angie Herrera:  Oh man, that’s a good question.  You got me stumped on that one.  Web professional, I don’t know.  Can I get a pass?

Lea Alcantara:  [Laughs]

Emily Lewis:  [Laughs]

Lea Alcantara:  Yeah.

Angie Herrera:  All right, a bunch of names came through my head, but I really can’t pinpoint one or two.

Lea Alcantara:  All right.  So what music do you like to code to?

Angie Herrera:  House music.

Emily Lewis:  Do you have a secret talent, and what is it?

Angie Herrera:  Juggling a soccer ball.

Lea Alcantara:  Very cool.  What’s the most recent book you’ve read?

Angie Herrera:  It was a jQuery book that I was given to review.

Emily Lewis:  And lastly, Star Wars or Star Trek?

Angie Herrera:  Star Wars.

Lea Alcantara:  [Laughs]

Emily Lewis:  [Laughs]  Right on.

Angie Herrera:  [Laughs]

Lea Alcantara:  All right, so that’s all the time we have for today.  Thanks for joining us, Angie.

Angie Herrera:  Oh, thanks for having me.  It’s been fun.

Emily Lewis:  In case our listeners want to follow up with you, where can they find you online?

Angie Herrera:  They can find me on Twitter @angieherrera, and you can email me as well, angie - at - 420creative.com .

Emily Lewis:  Great.  Thank you so much, Angie.

Angie Herrera:  Thank you.

Lea Alcantara:  [Music starts]  Now, we’d like to thank our sponsor for this podcast, Pixel & Tonic.

Emily Lewis:  We also want to thank our partners, EngineHosting, Devot:ee and EE Insider. If you are interested in supporting the podcast through sponsorship, please visit ee-podcast.com/advertise.  We have ad spots available now.

Lea Alcantara:  And thanks to our listeners for tuning in.  If you want to know more about the podcast, make sure you follow us on Twitter @eepodcast or visit our website, ee-podcast.com.

Emily Lewis:  Don’t forget to tune in to our next episode when we will talk about ad stats and measurements with Carl Crawley.  Be sure to check out our schedule on our site, ee-podcast.com/schedule for more upcoming topics.

Lea Alcantara:  This is Lea Alcantara.

Emily Lewis:  And Emily Lewis.

Lea Alcantara:  Signing off for the unofficial ExpressionEngine Podcast.  See you next time.

Emily Lewis:  Cheers.  [Music stops]

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